Saab 9-5 x fotoshop

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Saab 9-5 x fotoshop

Bericht door edwardk » di 27 jun, 2006 21:21

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For those of you outside Europe, who only got to see a small thumbnail of this image.....

Here's the Auto Motor and Sport interpretation of the proposed next 9-5. Please bear in mind that all indications point to it just being a photoshop job by them. But it's an interesting adaptation of the Aero-X design language, which will be a basis for future Saab designs according to recent reading.

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Bericht door nacra 93 » di 27 jun, 2006 21:25

nou die cabrio ziet er wel 8) uit

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Bericht door edwardk » di 27 jun, 2006 21:30

nacra 93 schreef:nou die cabrio ziet er wel 8) uit
Zou een mooie nieuwe sonett zijn. :D

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Bericht door nacra 93 » di 27 jun, 2006 21:32

edwardkommeren schreef:
nacra 93 schreef:nou die cabrio ziet er wel 8) uit
Zou een mooie nieuwe sonett zijn. :D
daar is toch al een andere fotoshop van :lol: vindt deze mooier

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Re: Saab 9-5 x fotoshop

Bericht door edwardk » di 27 jun, 2006 21:54

edwardkommeren schreef:Afbeelding

For those of you outside Europe, who only got to see a small thumbnail of this image.....

Here's the Auto Motor and Sport interpretation of the proposed next 9-5. Please bear in mind that all indications point to it just being a photoshop job by them. But it's an interesting adaptation of the Aero-X design language, which will be a basis for future Saab designs according to recent reading.

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:oops: foutje

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Bericht door jelger » di 27 jun, 2006 21:59

tja.. dit is net zoeits als een prive en story kopen..

een hoop leut om niks.. met veel bombarie presenteren en dan als je alles goed leest is het gewoon de natte droom van een "photoshopper"

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Bericht door edwardk » di 27 jun, 2006 22:05

jelger schreef:tja.. met veel bombarie presenteren
Welke bombarie, er ontgaat mij iets geloof ik: gewoon Saab 9-5 x fotoshop,

en dat van de story of prive dat weet ik niet, die koop IK niet :wink:

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Bericht door jelger » di 27 jun, 2006 22:14

het gaat om dat tijdschrif hoes opschrift: modellenoffensiv. de presentatie is wel degelijk "spectaculair: dit kan je niet missen... kopen! " (kiosk verkoop stimulerende hoes)

ps.. ik had het niet tegen jou Edward, over de leut.

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Bericht door edwardk » wo 28 jun, 2006 9:07

jelger schreef:het gaat om dat tijdschrif hoes opschrift: modellenoffensiv. de presentatie is wel degelijk "spectaculair: dit kan je niet missen... kopen! " (kiosk verkoop stimulerende hoes)

ps.. ik had het niet tegen jou Edward, over de leut.
Had je het iets duidelijker moeten brengen, de tekst op het tijdschrift dus....., hij is gevallen, de treuro. :wink: Na tot enkele jaren geleden al dat weinige Saab nieuws is nu al het nieuwe van Saab spectaculair, toch, en zeker als het afwijkt van het al oude of gemiddelde design.

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Bericht door jelger » wo 28 jun, 2006 9:49

dat is dus nu net mijn punt Edward.. het is geen nieuws.
alleen 1 of ander dwaallicht dat met photoshop heeft lopen spelen.. dat is toch geen nieuws??? ;-)

hoeveel van dat soort "nieuws" hebben we al gehad de laatste jaren?? werkelijk waar, het speculatieve dat als nieuws gepresenteerd wordt overstijgt het werkelijke nieuws met 10voudige aantallen.

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Bericht door gj900 » wo 28 jun, 2006 10:03

jelger schreef:dat is dus nu net mijn punt Edward.. het is geen nieuws.
alleen 1 of ander dwaallicht dat met photoshop heeft lopen spelen.. dat is toch geen nieuws??? ;-)
hoeveel van dat soort "nieuws" hebben we al gehad de laatste jaren?? werkelijk waar, het speculatieve dat als nieuws gepresenteerd wordt overstijgt het werkelijke nieuws met 10voudige aantallen.
Deze photoshops zijn afkomstig van de Zweedse uitgave van 'Auto Motor und Sport' en zijn onderdeel van een groot en interessant artikel over de toekomst van Saab waarin enkele kopstukken worden geïnterviewd. Als je de afbeeldingen in die context ziet ondersteunen zij het verhaal en dienen ter illustratie van wat er bedoeld wordt, nl. de komende modelreeks bespreken en de Saabisti een goed gevoel geven voor de toekomst. Wel degelijk nieuws dus, maar niet af te leiden uit enkel de afbeeldingen.

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Bericht door jelger » wo 28 jun, 2006 10:05

ok.. ik capituleer ;-)

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Bericht door edwardk » wo 28 jun, 2006 10:13

jelger schreef:ok.. ik capituleer ;-)
Dat is ook weer OVERDREVEN,maar het is begrepen aa deze zijde.

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Bericht door edwardk » wo 28 jun, 2006 20:52

tekst belongs to the cabriopicture:

There's been a bit of talk going on in various publications about a possible

new Sonett, based loosely (or not so loosely) on the Aero-X.

Saabscene have a thread going on, which includes a snippet from the August issue of Road & Track (the August issue is out already? in June?):


Saab's jet-inspired sports car concept - the Aero X (see Ampersand, May 2006) - has reportedly been cleared for production, according to our sources. The rear- or all-wheel drive Audi TT rival (possibly called the Sonett) will go on sale in two years, as a 2-seat convertible first and later as a 2+2 coupe.

As you can see from the image, there is a lot of Aero X in the Sonett, despite replacing the concept's canopy-style roof with a power folding soft-top. The Sonett will feature a wraparound windscreen, an aerodynamic front end, flared wheel arches, and a chopped tail. The coupe's rear seats will be suitable for short trips or extra luggage space.

If the Sonett reminds a bit of the Saturn Sky, that's because it's based on GM's Kappa platform, which currently serves the Sky, Pontiac Solstice and Opel [Vauxhall for you folks] GT convertibles. The base engine will be a 2.0-liter turbo four with about 200 bhp, with Saab's 250-bhp 2.8-liter turbo V-6 with awd the top choice. Transmission options include a 6-speed manual and a VW/Audi DSG-style twin-clutch system.

Saab's engineers are expected to tune the handling of the Sonett to proper sports-car levels, with sharp steering and high handling limits from the chassis.

Mike Monticello


This comes on top of Auto Motor and Sport also claiming a roadster/coupe model is in the pipeline. They date the release as coming in 2008 AND they give us an artist's impression:



So, we have one speculative picture and two speculative reports. Time to sort the wheat from the chaff, based on what we've heard before and what we know about GM and it's resources.

Point No. 1.
The Road and Track report (above) states that the new car will be built on the Kappa platform and will be available with AWD available in the premium model.

I have two issues with this.

First up, Kappa is a RWD platform. I haven't read anywhere that it's incapable of accepting AWD, but it's a fairly compact platform from what I can tell. I'm not an engineer or anything, but AWD requires a certain amount of space for fitmet of the various component parts. Regardless of the space issue, Kappa has been presented as a RWD-only platform thus far.

Secondly, back in late 2005, a few months prior to the Aero-X release, there was a lot of speculation as to the possibility of a Kappa-based roadster for Saab. This was in the wake of the Pontiac Solstice coming online etc etc. In November 2005, Jay Spenchian was the subject of an article at Edmunds. The article stated the following....

Jay Spenchian has revealed to Edmunds that a Saab variant from the Kappa platform that underpins the Pontiac Solstice, a possibility that had been received with great enthusiasm, is no longer part of the future plan for Saab.
Note: not on Kappa. Not necessarily dead all together, just not on Kappa.

A little later on we learned more about the fact that there may be a Sonett inspired car at Geneva. The car that turned out to be the Aero-X. What also surfaced at this time was the following:

....insiders say Saab now expects to tap German sibling Opel for a front-wheel-drive platform — specifically, the sporting chassis that underpins the new Astra OPC coupe that was revealed earlier this year at the Geneva show.
The Saab sportster, which reportedly was developed by former design boss Michael Mauer before he left to head Porsche's design department, will likely be unveiled next spring at the 2006 Geneva show.

The Saab two-seater may share Opel's turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder, which makes 240 horsepower, or it may accommodate one of the Swedish firm's turbocharged V6 engines. A six-speed manual gearbox will be standard.


It's hard to know what parts of this we can take and use. Mauer didn't design the Aero-X, for example. But if the rest is accurate, then it's possible that we're looking towards the Delta platform that underpins the Astra OPC. A fine looking liitle thing if you're that way inclined.

But again we may have platform/AWD problems as Delta's a compact FWD platform.

I have a feeling that the answer may even lie in Epsilon. See Point 3 below.

Point No 2
The Auto Motor and Sport article raised the possibility of the following model developments:

- Saab 9-4X (spring 2007)
- Saab 9-5 (autumn 2007)
- roadster/coupé with Aero-X heritage (2008)
- Saab 9-1 (2008)
- Saab 9-3 (2009)

I don't want to be a wet blanket here, but that's a heck of a lot more model development than has ever been mentioned before in relation to Saab. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I tend to think it's highly improbable.

GM head honchos have previously stated that the priorities for Saab are the 9-4x and then possibly the smaller, more entry level 9-1. Obviously the redevelopment of the core 9-5 and 9-3 are priorities too.

Is GM Europe really going to resource Saab to the point of doing all four of these (re)developments and develop a brand new niche roadster/coupe as well? it's not just the money, but also the time factor too. Model development takes plenty of time and with all the resources that went into recent concepts, I can't see more than the two brand new models we've already been told are priorities.

I'm told, quite reliably, that we can look forward to no new concepts at the Paris Auto Show later this year because of the time taken up with the Aero-X and Hybrid Convertible over the preceeding 12 to 18 months. These things take resources, and as we all know (except children and the Hiltons) - resources are finite.

Point No. 3
I tend to think that the money's going to go into the primary four mentioned above as priorities, with the 9-3 Convertible perhaps getting a retractable hardtop. The Epsilon II platform is going to be AWD capable and the Aero-X styling is supposed to make it's way into the coming Saab model range. It already fits a V6 with no problems and the adaptation of the convertible into a sportier model would then kill two birds with one stone.

I just can't see GM spending the money, nor having the time to undertake such a comprehensive model program for a player as small as Saab.

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These are just my thoughts on the whole recent new Sonett thing, but they're based on what we've seen and heard from GM in recent months. If it means we can drive a Sonett around in the near future then I'll be quite pleased to be proved wrong.

It's certainly going to be interesting to see what develops.

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Bericht door davidjoost » zo 09 jul, 2006 14:04

ik heb er ook een keer een geshopt maar dies een beetje mislukt! :roll:

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oordeel zelf maar :wink:

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